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Canine Autoimmune Hemolytic Anemia (AIHA & IMHA) - No more FrontLine, what else?
| Hi! My 3 1/2 year old American Eskimo, Mia Grace needs something for fleas/ticks. Can you use a 'Flea Spray' directly on them? I was somewhere on the internet and found a spray. We spray our carpet/furniture with Nylar Carpet spray. Is it because FrontLine gets in their blood stream that they can't have it anymore?? Any suggestions...?? Liz and Mia |
| Liz TN |
| Liz, go on the web and loo up 'homeopathic treatment for flea control' Please be very careful in what you select to use for flea control. Frontline is full of pesticides and although the company that produces the product, Merial informs consumers the product remains only on the top layer of the skin (the sebaceous glands), they LIE. My pet dachshund was near death after receiving a dose, directly administered by the vet, that was designated for his size. Four blood transfusions, $9,000 and two years later we are still fightng this chronic anemic conditition. You can't sue these pharmaceutical companies because they are too powerful and rich and you need scientfic definitive 'proof' your pet became ill from the product which is very hard to prove...because guess what? There IS NO blood test created that will reveal the pesticide called fipronil this company uses in this product. Isn't that convenient for the pharmaceutical company? As consumers we can only do our best to protect one another as the EPA who regulates pesticides in products is very lax in administering proper standards of clinical study trials. Go fight the government and big pharma. Lawyers don't want to touch the case. Believe me, I have tried. They sympathize but are not interested in spending their own dollars to file the case as they know what they are up against. Please tell every pet owner you now that Frontline can and does KILL pets. It should not be used by consumers. Please review other treatments and if posible try to get a consult with a homeopathic vet for a product that is not toxic to your pet. Good luck. Jan |
| jan PA |
| Hi Liz, If you do a search through the threads i posted some time ago about alternatives to frontline and heartguard. There are alot of herbal formulations out there for fleas, and i found that skeeterbeeter or something like it was very effective for Kent. He has been off frontline and heartguard for i think over a year now. Jan is right, it is very very difficult legally to get anything done. I just got a denial from Pfizer for compensation, i guess i asked too nicely. Having said that, There is a court of law, and a court of public opinion. The internet is a powerful tool, but you have to be very careful to avoid slander etc. there has been alot of new law and casework re vaccinations in children, and i think that with the menu foods lawsuits there are more lawyers out there willing to take on cases, if there is enough evidence. I've been reviewing my science lately, and what we need (JAN) is something we could do from this list. We need enough cases to show a likely correlation. We could get this simple enough if someone could put up a weblink and you fill it out. Simple questions - was your pet vaccinated, frontlined or hearguarded, or what and how long before getting sick. Kind of food eaten (broadly) exposed to any toxins (lawn chemicals etc). I would be happy to create this survey/questionaire, and i will do the factor analysis, and the correlation regressions etc, if someone is interested in providing a link where we can post this. IT sounds simple, and it is, but no one has done it that i can tell. Its a first step to showing that there is a correlation. Once there is a correlation, we have something getting close not to evidence but a preponderance of likelihood. Its something that then would have to be disputed by the manufacturers. Its an idea, any input welcome. Sorry for going on so long, and hijacking the frontline thread :) Best, Christine |
| Christine FL |
| BE CAREFUL of "homeopathic" treatments too. We have seen 4 animals in the last 3 months at my clinic with toxicity due to homeopathic flea treatments. I personally have never seen or had an issue with Frontline or advantage. |
| Courtney SLO |
A homeopathic treatment cannot cause toxicity. Homeopathic medicine consists of regular substances massively diluted such that not even a single molecule of the original substance remains in the medicine to be administered. Now, a "holistic" (herbal) treatment is perfectly capable of being toxic, if given in too high a dose or if a misidentified herb is used. I use homeopathic Nux vomica 30C for nausea in our IMHA dog (Ethel). A 30C dose is something that begins with 1 part material (in this case, Nux vomica, the poison nut tree aka strychnine) diluted with 99 parts water. Then, 99% of the diluted material is thrown out, leaving 1 part. Dilute that again, 99 to 1. Throw out 99% of this. Repeat that 28 more times, for a final massive dilution of 1 part medicine to 100^30th power water. It eliminates nausea in minutes. |
| Brian Vermont |
| Thank you everyone for your comments. My husband and I used 'Only Natural Pet Herbal Defense Shampoo' on Mia Monday evening. So far, she has been fine. I also bought a spray, which is a natural insect repellent. Mia is an American Eskimo with very long hair and we have REALLY bad fleas and ticks. We live out in the country too, which doesn't help. I go through her hair as much as I can and pick fleas off, but she has so much hair that I needed something else to help. I just hope this stuff helps! I am now using it on all of our other animals. Thanks again! Liz and Mia |
| Liz Nashville TN |
| Christine, I wish a list of consumers letters and complaints reflecting beloved pets who have had adverse reactions was sufficient to file suit and make a diffeence. But unfortunately many thousands of adverse reactions to flea control products that have been been filed with the EPA, your gov't agency controlling pesicide regulation, are legally defined as 'anecdotal' I wouldn't worry about 'slandering' the pharmaceutical companies. There is no slander that consumers can be charged with. Consumers are revealing their experiences with the product. They are also tryng to save lives of other perople's pets by telling their story, as I am. Your gov't agency (EPA) does not seem to be too concerned in holding big pharma accountable for the clnical testing protocols and subsequent products they manufacture. Your dog gets deathly sick from their product? You can't scientifically PROVE it? And guess what? There is no blood test that has been established in any lab in the WORLD to show that the poison pesticide has infiltrated the system. I know thia for a fact as I searched high and low when my pet was showng a pcv of 9 and I knew that the pesticide fipronil had caused his anemia and was no doubt in his system creating a dog who showed such despondency and clinical illness that my heart was breaking/ I wanted to FIND THE TRUTH!! but no lab in the country had this test available. Prove it?! Oh well. You're screwed. Your dog is sick/dead. See if they (the product manufacturer) care. They don't. Not in the least. They are looking for the next buck from the next sucker who is convinced from their successful marketing campaigns to buy their product. Courtney, I don't know how long you have been working as a pet clinician but if you would like to read some of these 'anecodtal' consumer lettersr regarding pesticide toxcitiy stemming from Frontline ad other commercial flea control products that will tear your heart to shreds if you are an animal lover, please log onto James Terbush's website. He began his website several years ago when his dog almost died from the toxic product 'biospot.' (I also like Brian have not heard of toxicity from a homeopathic remedy if administered as directed by a vet). http://www.elversonpuzzle.com/biospotlettersv11.html http://www.wildlifeprotection.net/everything/eduFleas.html DON'T USE THE STUFF, EVER..no matter what anyone tells you. It is NOT SAFE. |
| jan philly |
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